(I apoligise for the random, irrelevant pictures, and furthurmore how old this case is. Nearly a year old, i think, but still interesting.)

Link to the case:

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This is a tragic story, but no- i don't believe she was guilty of murder. She was no in a right frame of mind when she did it, and the harse drugs she was issued at the hospital could of caused the death as well. Frankly, the judges dicision repells me. she needs help, not a life-time sentence.

I agree with you...she was not guilty of murder!

I say this type of Feticide is similar to Murder-Suicide, where the suicide was unsuccessful. (Depending on the age of the fetus, which the article does not specify)

Just because the murderer was emotionally troubled, I don't see how that means nobody was murdered.

^ But that would be like saying abortion is murder (Not saying that many people don't believe that or that it's nessicarily wrong), but in the state in question aobrtion was in fact legal, so--- she would be allowed to have a abortion but not endanger the fetous? O.O makes no sense.

And it doesn't mean no-one was murdered. It mean the curcumstances of the murder should be taken into consideration. Murderer's are often given lighter sentences, or in a few cases even let OFF, if they suffer from a severe mental condition, or are too young to understand their actions. This woman had severe depression. Depression IS a mental condition.

No, I said it depends on the age of the fetus. A fetus can be legally aborted within the first 20 weeks. It's illegal after 20 weeks. If she did this after 20 weeks, then I see it as murder, if it was before, I see it as an illegal abortion.

The article doesn't mention depression at all, or any sort of mental illness. Attempting suicide doesn't always equal depression or mental illness.
Either this was the fault or the article writer, or she wasn't depressed.

She should have thought about her baby before attempting suicide- that's true. It may have been selfish. Thoughtless. But it wasn't murder.
So if someone's in that terrible state where they are so distressed and unhappy that they feel dying would be preferable to life, act on it,and that person also happens to be pregnant, then it would equate to murder? It's completely wrong that she should be charged with that.
First step on the way to criminalising all abortions, as I see it.

@Cassie123, so you reckon she attempted suicide for shits and giggles? O.O Why would someone take their own life, if they weren't at least mildly depressed?

And, yes, it does mention her being mentally unwell:

"Kathrine Jack, a lawyer with the NAPW, who meets Shuai about once a week, said that after the initial suicide attempt, she had regained hope. "She has been on a rollercoaster," said the lawyer, who argued that women such as Shuai should, rather than being locked up, receive medical and psychiatric help." "

It doesn't specify, but yes, i think this is a implication. Besides, let's be real here. given the circumstances, she probably wasn't overly happy.

No.. She was unhappy, but that does not mean she was clinically depressed or mentally ill. I never said she did it for fun.
Anxiety attacks and migraines (which everyone is susceptible to, regardless of mental stability) can cause suicidal thoughts and tendencies. Suicide is not directly linked to depression and mental unwellness. It's not implied strongly enough for me to just believe so.
Being on a rollercoaster can mean that she was happy one day, and then sad the next day. This can also happen to mentally stable people.

But... mentally stable people generally don't try to commit suicide. People who do that are unhappy or mentally unstable or something. Sane, stable people have no reason to try to kill themselves.

As to the question, I'm still on the fence.
One the one hand, someone who kills a pregnant woman is not charger with a double murder. On the other hand, as soon as the child draws breath, it is considered alive and therefor can, legally, be killed. She attemped suicide while the child was still in the womb, but the child was born when she was admitted in the hospital and died some days later. Also, the article hints that the child may not have died from what she took while attempting suicide, but from the medication she got in the hospital. Still, that was still a result of her suicide attempt.

Lots of things to consider here, and I haven't even come to the fact wether or not she can be held accountable for her actions. I don't know how to say it in English (in dutch it is 'ontoerekeningsvatbaar'), but when someone is not of sound mind that is sometimes a very strong defense.

There's this thing called link.

"instrumentally rational, autonomous [suicide], due to
stable goals, not due to mental illness, etc."
(That's doesn't mean it's just for fun)

I'm still not seeing any definite reason to unprofessionally diagnose her with depression or mental instability.

Touché. However, I do not think this was a rational suicide, when using that definition and other requirements from the artcle you linked. According to the story, she tied to commit suicide after her boyfriend, who was married to someone else, left her. Therefor this was not an autonomous decision, nor did she have stable goals.
Also, she did not make the decision to kill herself after 'due consideration' also cited in the article as a requirement to call a suicide rational.

Btw very interesting article.

I'm still not convinced because nothing was mentioned about her before the break up. We don't know anything about her goals, if her ultimate goals depended of marriage, or if she had been rationalizing beforehand, but the pro of getting married outweighed the cons and once that was taken away the cons took the lead, or if she became depressed overnight and decided on the spur of the moment to poison herself.

There's not enough information to really know either way.
I just think that if she was depressed, it would have been significant enough information to actually mention, which it wasn't. It was only kind of, slightly implied a little.

I don't think it was murder.