the lion king Club
gabung
Fanpop
New Post
Explore Fanpop
I don't think so. And as canon I now mean the sequel movie The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride because it's the main sumber for those theories.

It's true, they can't tampil every little detail about crucial plot parts in a film. But what they can do is refer to everything crucial. Like, in this case, if there had been another cub before Kiara, they could've and would've berkata so in the film.

In example, they could've had Simba and Nala briefly discuss it instead of how much Kiara reminds them of Simba. Or, combined the two topics.

Nala: "She's just like anda when anda were young."
Simba could've replied "Exactly! Remember how our son Kopa was just like me and he disappeared/got killed oleh the outlanders! And remember all those danger we got ourselves into!"

I mean, Kiara was far away oleh that point--the discussion was free to be about anything in the world--and adding that one line would've taken less than five detik of their minuete limit. And instead of having Nala be careless, they could've had her walk away worried/sorrowful indtead of walking away carelessly.

But no, instead they have him only remark about their personal childhood dangers and Nala poke him about it and carelessly state that Kiara will be fine. Because there was never a son at all, not to mention a murdered son.

ALSO...

...Kiara's protection and supervision is left in the hands of a tiny meerkat and a warthog. Creatures that are easily killed oleh a lion, not to mention numerous lions. If someone really wanted to kill the princess, they would beruang a warthog's stink for a little while. Especially as it would stop stinking after it's dead atau at least couldn't follow around. As in if Kiara's parents had a child who'd disappeared atau been murdered, they would have their detik child much, much better supervised and protected. Especially as she is eveidently just like Simba who himself used to manage ditching unreliable babysitter.

...Zira is an evil psycho who takes pleasure in blood spilling and war. Yet she doesn' brag about how she succeeded in killing the prince and revenge Scar's death oleh it. Instead she whines and complains about how unjust the exile was and how she is about to get her revenge for Scar. Obviously she hadn't done anything to deserve the exile and the very least anything that gave her pleasure.

...Nala is completely carefree and light-hearted about Kiara. Doesn't seem like a loving mother who has lots a child.

Simba never succeeded to put Mufasa's death completely behind him judging oleh how he had nightmares and tears in his eyes about his father's death even years and years after the event.

What makes anda think he'd succeed any better with a loss of an only son?

Especially as there was always something to remind him of it: Kiara. And Kovu, as he was Zira's son. Leading me to how the nightmare was only about Mufasa and Scar and Kovu becoming Scar. If there was anything about a lost/dead son in Simba's inner life, they would've had it in that dream sequence.

And in the end of TLK he put his own guilt behind, not Mufasa's death. Scar; "I wouldn't want to be responsibly for a death of a family member. Wouln't anda agree, Simba?" Simba: "It's not gonna work, Scar. I've put it behind me." The guilt. Not the death.

If Simba only thought Zira killed Kopa, she might as well have. It would affect Simba's inner life the same atau even worse actually, as Simba could not be absolutely sure and it would cause him worry and doubt about if he's child is at peace in death atau being tortured/slowly dying somehwere.

A tragic loss like that would not go away just because "it's over". Having your child murdered... And especially if the child's fate was uncertain, it naturally wouldn't be over. And again, the film makes no references whatsoever to any other trauma than Mufasa's death.

Sometimes I wonder if people who support those Kopa theories, have ever had a close family member disappear atau die? Those loved ones are with anda every waking moment and especially in your dreams. The pain of the loss, the worry if it's just disappearence, and the joy of good memorie. anda don't get over it so completely that anda stop dreaming and talking about them. Even if anda don't talk about how they died atau disappeared, anda talk about how they lived. anda don't just forget about them just because anda have other/new family members. Not even with the rest of the family there for you. On the contrary those who are still with you, inspire anda to remember the lost one.

Even Simba says it in the film: "Even those who are gone, are with us as we go on." If Kopa was one of "those who are gone", he would've been mentioned oleh his family atau even shown in Simba's dream.

anda might say that it's a kids' film that doesn't necessarely make the characters react realistically. But they made Simba react realistically to Mufasa's death and Kovu and all, I see no reason why they wouldn't in a lost child case too. Because the point and the theme is exactly the same.

Then there's also the outside appearence problem.
Kopa and Kovu appear the same age, while in the buku Kopa is still with his family and eager to become king. The cub at the end of TLK is at least three months younger than Kovu because lion cubs don't pop out of thin air, their mothers remain pregnant for a time.

Thus if Fluffy was Kopa and grown up to the age he is in the buku which is at least nine months of growth, then died atau disappeared, then Kiara made, carried, born, grown up some time... Kovu in the film would need to look much older than he does because he'd be over two years old at the movie's time. There is no way lack of good food can make a lion lack that much in growth--especially as Kovu apprently did grow up to a normal adult size in the end, so they apparently didn't lack that much food all the time.

Anyway, Kopa and Kovu would appear exactly the same age which is why Kopa's existence as a lost cub in SP's story would be impossible because Kovu was born when Scar was still alive and Kiara in the film is such an old cub while she isn't in the buku at all. And the Outlanders are not in the buku in any way while they should be as they were there in the film's backstory all along.

Hence, if the film makers wanted an older brother of Kiara to exist, they'd just simply written a story where's a place for him to exist and then included him in. That's the whole point of story writing: anda write a story so that everyone anda want to include in it, has a place in it. They didn't include Kopa in any way and wrote the story so that his logic existence is impossible--thus they didn't want him to exist.

And as they used the cub from TLK as baby Kiara in their official movie trailer, it seals that Kopa never existed in their story. And yes, even if the trailer was made oleh the marketting people, The Walt disney Company does see this trailer as official as it has the word "Disney's" on it and it was released on an official disney VHS.

The only way to logically connect Kopa into the movie universe is to first ignore the fact of the official trailer and then have him born after the sequel's events and write Kiara and Kovu out of Pridelands. But even so it would be partially a logic fail with: the buku don't explain why all the sudden Kiara and Kovu aren't the future queen and king but Kopa is, and why wasn't Kiara shown at the end of the first film even though the sequel made clear that she was to be the selanjutnya ruler after Simba.

There is no completely logical way to connect Kopa into the movie universe because officially he was never meant to be part of it.
added by glelsey
Source: dwanimations.tumblr.com
added by glelsey
Source: dwanimations.tumblr.com
added by boytoy_84
added by misanthrope86
Source: disney / made oleh me
added by misanthrope86
Source: disney / made oleh me
added by misanthrope86
Source: disney / made oleh me
added by misanthrope86
Source: disney / made oleh me
Some very talented people have made an absolutely lovely, special fan dub!
video
lion king
simba's pride
lion king 2
fandub
fan dub
added by glelsey
Source: disney Screencaps
added by boytoy_84
added by boytoy_84
added by vagos
Source: oleh Me
When Mabaya reached the fresh-kill pile she felt as if someone was watching her,but she decided to ignore it. She was about to grab a field mouse when a rock hit her in the head. She let out a little roar as she placed her paw on her head. She then heard laughter. She looked up and saw a couple of cubs. She growled as they kept laughing. ''Hey''? she asked angrily. ''What was that for. ''?''Oh, nothing we just did it for fun.''the first one said,smiling.''Errrr''she growled. Just then Vitani came over.''Hey,Mabaya''.she berkata ,smiling . But Mabaya ignored her. ''Hey Mabaya are anda okay''.Vitani...
continue reading...
Simba
. Zazu
. Nala
. Both
. Simba, Nala, Chorus


I'm gonna be a mighty king, so enemies beware!

     iI've never seen a king of beasts
    With quite so little hair


I'm gonna be the mane event
Like no king was before
I'm brushing up on looking down
I'm working on my roar

    Thus far a rather uninspiring thing

Oh, I just can't wait to be king!

No one saying do this        
No one saying be there         
No one saying stop that
No one saying see here        ...
continue reading...
added by Aurychansan
Nuka was born before the Outsiders came to Pride Rock Scar saw that Nuka was both physically and mentally unstable.

Luckily, Zira wouldn't give up hope. One was a girl. Which Scar didn't approve of. She then went out again she mencuri Kovu who was just born. They attacked Zira. But she killed both the parents.

"Born in Grief, Raised in Hate, Helpless to Defy his fate."
-line in "one of us"

Zira didn't tell Kovu he was adopted until he was older. All he told him was Scar wasn't his father. Until one hari he asked who his real father was and Zira had to tell the truth that she wasn't the real mother.

All lions (including the outsiders) weren't allowed to leave Pride Rock but Scar made an exception for Zira to find a good heir.
added by Okami_Amaterasu
added by jessowey
Source: disney
posted by glelsey
An archetype is a model device commonly used in media, and there are quite a few of them present in The Lion King. Sometimes archetypes are used to allow the viewer to make a better connection with a character atau narrative, sometimes they are used to symbolise something important, and sometimes they are used simply because it makes sense to do so. Here are just some of the archetypes used in the 1994 animated movie...

Reluctant Hero
This is, of course, Simba. The Reluctant Hero is a common archetype used in a lot of movies, and is normally the protagonist. Simba is the good guy and the rightful...
continue reading...
added by KingSimba4Ever9
Source: disney