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Game of Thrones returns in Season 5 with magic and intrigue
Game of Thrones returns in Season 5 with magic and intrigue
*This review will contain light spoilers.*
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*This review will contain light spoilers.*
The show’s fifth season begins its stride forward by taking us into the past- into Cersei’s youth, showing us the future queen (played by Nell Williams, who has nailed Lena Headey’s expressions) and a friend visiting a fortuneteller in the woods. The flashback is a risky new trick in the show’s arsenal, but it works, fitting right in with the
That isn’t the only dip into history this season, as the show seems intent on bringing the past to the present this year, with more than one reference to long-dead characters who may still hold significance.
I’ll tell you this upfront: the season premiere as a whole isn’t as strong as last season’s first outing. “The Wars to Come” is all about setting up the season, and it does that very well. It’s more reminiscent of the second and third season premieres in that respect, but the pacing is on the slow side. It’s contemplative, giving the characters and the viewers breathing room to take in the new stories that bloom over the next few episodes.
King’s Landing is recovering the death of Tywin Lannister, but a religious movement is on the rise. The Sparrows preach piety and servitude, and Cersei tries to use their leader (Jonathan Pryce) to her advantage. It’s slightly awkward for her that her former lover Lancel (Eugene Simon) has joined the movement, what with him knowing her dirty secrets. Cersei has control of the throne now and she’s going to use it, confident she knows how to reign. Her relationship with Jaime is on shaky ground however, plus Myrcella’s in the hands of the Dornish, and Tommen is closer to Margaery than to her these days.
This season will be a major one for Lena Headey, with Cersei’s political maneuvering (and fumbling) at the center of the capital story. Headey is more than up to the task with her cold stares and sneers perfected. Pryce is on board to provide the foil with his infuriating calm and smiles.
In Meereen, Daenerys is learning that the effects of slavery don’t disappear when the shackles are broken. Chaos in the city is growing, pushing Dany to once again have to make hard choices that test her wisdom as a queen. Her growing pains extend to the mothering of her dragons, as well, with the creatures in their rebellious adolescence. The Meereen storyline is hopping this year, with a climax in the fourth episode “The Sons of the Harpy” that’ll leave you screaming at the TV and begging for next week’s episode.
Across the Narrow Sea in Pentos, the Tyrion and Varys Roadshow is off and running, giving two great actors a chance to spark off one another. David Benioff and D.B. Weiss’s trademark humor is on display here. Peter Dinklage’s Tyrion is a broken man, after having murdered his father and his lover in last season’s finale. The show tightens up Tyrion’s saggy
chapters over the first four episodes I viewed, and despite having lost some colorful characters, I think his storyline is better for it.
Returning in episode 2, Arya Stark has arrived in Braavos, and may be leaving herself behind as she approaches the home of the Faceless Men. Her education continues with the help of a couple tough mentors, Arya’s specialty. The places in Braavos, exteriors and interior sets, are breathtaking. The money used on real locations is well spent, with the Croatian vistas lending their flavor to the sea city. There is a scene this season when Arya has to leave something behind, and she looks about twelve years old and heartbroken, and you remember then what an incredible actress Maisie Williams is.
The Wall is home to new dynamics this year, with the influx of Team Dragonstone. The shakeup is welcome, treating us to dialogue between the likes of Shireen and Gilly, and Jon and Melisandre. The Night’s Watch storyline is a mixed bag, in my opinion; while there are some great scenes, what
be a major moment in the second episode feels rushed and not that exciting.
Meanwhile down in Dorne, the newest Great House on
is introduced. The Martells are reeling from their own loss- their beloved Prince Oberyn. His lover Ellaria calls for vengeance, but his older brother, the more sedate Prince Doran (Alexander Siddig) is having none of it. Oberyn’s bastard daughters, the Sand Snakes, share his hotheadedness and a cause with Ellaria. House Martell is led by the ideally cast Siddig who lends a quiet intensity to his scene with the furious Ellaria.
fans may experience a little whiplash with this new version of Ellaria Sand. Indira Varma is wonderful and I love seeing her on fire and spitting out dialogue, but this character has little to do with Ellaria
Arianne from the novels for that matter, so adjust your expectations. Show-only viewers won’t have an issue with this, of course.
Sansa and Littlefinger set out on another journey, with him revealing his newest plan for her taking power. Sansa’s destiny appears to be combining the best of her teachers, learning from Littlefinger’s crafty machinations while keeping the lessons of courtesy she learned young from her mother and her septa. Her gift has always been one of adaptation to survive, and now she is using that ability to grant her choices. I suspect that one she makes early this season may be unpopular with some viewers but in the circumstance she’s in, it makes sense to me.
come together more neatly and pick up the pace after the season premiere. Momentum is gained as the players plot and the bodies start falling. In forging their own path beyond the books, Benioff and Weiss are finding ways to surprise their cynical audience and like seasons past, viewers are going to thank them for every shock and twist of the knife.
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Nice review. Without obviously getting into spoilers, what are your feelings about where it looks like Sansa’s story is going this season. Do you think that the reasons provided by characters seem logical within the show universe or does it feel like after-the-fact justification for an adaptation change?
I too was disappointed by that Wall scene from the second episode you mention… It felt monumental in the books, but on the series I was left feeling it was more like an afterthought. In addition to feeling rushed it lacked weight and initial impact.
Like what you said about Sansa’s story making sense in context. That maakes me feel a little better.
I am still finding it hard to believe that Littlefinger
could be so unaware of someone’s true nature. His plot makes sense, but LF being ignorant in this particular case- that’s a tough one to swallow. But it’s too early to make final judgments. Perhaps he has that base covered down the line and I haven’t seen that yet since we’re only four in.
I assume the moment that lacked impact in episode 2 is Jon’s election?
Well, I for one thought they were gonna cut it (if we’re talking about a certain proposal), so the simple fact that’s in it is a good new.
If we’re talking about a certain election, that’s bummer ! That one deserves some momentum, but not too much, the night is dark and full of terrors and there’s a King to face. No time to contemplate on victory.
One of the older actors (I have forgotten his name) died unexpectedly. Could that have an influence on the scene in episode 2 in Castle Black?
JJ Murphy, the actor that plays Denys Mallsiter died during filming yes. Maybe it impacted the scene, but from what I recall he died after the scenes were shot.
Oh, and just trying my chance once again for those who’ve seen the screeners : any hints as to Ghost screentime so far ?
No, he’s in the scene. And I think he was pretty much done filming for the most part when he passed away anyway.
Great review! That last paragraph really gets me excited.
The shakeup is welcome, treating us to dialogue between the likes of Shireen and Gilly
Weirdly, this was one of the potential dialogue pairings at the Wall that I wondered about when thinking about this season, just because it seems like an inquisitive mind like Shireen would be fascinated to talk to a Wildling from the mysterious lands beyond the Wall.
I wonder if they’re going to give Gilly some version of Val’s reaction to seeing Shireen’s greyscale — considering it’s Gilly, not Val, probably more in the line of being spooked rather than demanding Shireen be killed immediately.
Is it possible to give a hint as to what the anticlimactic moment is? I understand if not
How are the Sand Snakes? Are they indeed differentiated? Or are they hokey and one-dimensional?
I heard a certain characters fate is left undecided at the end of episode 4…..a character who doesn’t die in the books….
I haven’t seen the episode, but my guess would be Jon’s election. Those Facebook script spoilers from last summer called it a “brief” scene, from what I remember.
Is there an actual reason why they need to marry Ramsay?
Sue, great review, nicely thought out and written. Quick question for you without any spoilers. Are they any mention of northern houses in the stannis/Jon storyline or even the Sansa/little finger storyline? Other than house stark and bolton.
“That isn’t the only dip into history this season, as the show seems intent on bringing the past to the present this year, with more than one reference to long-dead characters who may still hold significance.”
Can you expand on that a little more in spoiler text?
Sue, with regards to Littlefinger/Sansa’s arc so far, do you think it makes sense from a show-only perspective? I’m a book reader first and initially it sounds so jarring. As much as you can set that aside, does it seem like a good choice? It’s probably too early to tell I guess, without knowing what happens later.
If I might guess, I think Barristan gives Dany a Targaryen history lesson… specifically about the mad king
Really nice review. I’m very much looking forward to Meereen and Tyrion. It looks like D&D tighten both stories which is probably a good thing.
Seems like this season is going to be very thematically cohesive and will start to reveal inklings of a move towards the conclusion of the story.
Was there any flashback scene other than the one with young Cersei ?
Barristan is said to give Dany a history lesson about her family, which I would guess would mostly revolve around Aerys and Rhaegar. And, the story of the tournament at Harrenhal is mentioned. So Rhaegar and Lyanna are probably who Sue is referring to.
About the “underwhelming” scene at the Wall in episode 2… it was obvious that the decission of not including that moment as the climax of season 4 was going to change the significance and importance of the scene. After all, it’s happening early in the season, setting things up, it’s not meant to be a huge climax. And honestly, I agree with that. I mean, it was such a predictable plot development that it could never be significant for show viewers.
Only a week left to wait! I don’t know if I’m more excited or frightened of this season.
EW interview confirming her as a ‘prisoner’ once more pretty much confirms some speculation while not giving details.
Hopefully LF hasn’t also dropped the ball in the grand scheme – he’s always been so delightfully conniving.
That scene is probably election.Leaked info from facebook mentioned something like that short/brief scene.It’s shame,because it’s pretty big moment for Jon.I suppose it’s a price for last year storyline.They drag that and now no time for LC.Worried about Jon’s storyline this year,but that’s nothing compared to Sansa and WF plot.
Apparently that iconic line(Edd…)is not in the show.Really?Any Jon/Tormund(or any Tormund scene in general),Jon/Davos or Aemon/Mel scene?
I am surprised by how rushed the NW election is. That was one of the stronger moments in the books, with several chapters revolved around it, as well as Jon weighing Stannis’ offer. If it was my show, I would have had Stannis offer name Jon the Lord Of Winterfell in their final scene in episode 2, and centered episode 3 around the NW election. Instead, it sounds like both are rushed through in episode 2.
I think we know what the dramatic ending of Ep 4 is going to be….
Are you able to write a little paragraph about Theon, Ramsay and Roose? Or are they not heavily featured throught the first 4 eps?
Thx for your thoughts, Sue. Anticipation is high, with heavy concerns as well. I’m intrigued by the
aspect of this season that you are dangling in front of us.
I wouldn’t call it an iconic line, and frankly, I like the show’s version just as much, if not more.
I feel a little embarrassed to ask the same thing, but I guess everybody is worried about the arc of one character or another, just like me, so here I go again.
Can you tell us how is Jaime this season? No specifics. Just how is he. We know that he is feeling guilty. Darquemode said that he looks confident and cocky, almost like his old.self.. Anything else?
I am just worried what they are doing with him. In the books by this point he is getting on his own path and he separates himself from a certain someone. In the.movies, after episode 4.10 and the description on the first 2 episodes, this does.not seem to be the case. And in case he does not separate himself from.., what is he going to do in the show next??
Olly fetch me my sword is the new line… and if it had been that way in the book, it would’ve been just as iconic
If this review is anything to go by there seems to be a lack of Winterfell/Boltons/Theon in the first four episodes, then? I can only hope they start to feature a lot more heavily in the episodes after that. That is easily – EASILY – my favourite storyline in ADWD.
I don’t mind some changes here and there.Actually it’s pretty good,but still there will be some angry book readers.
In my opinion it’s probably one of the best Jon moments (if not the best) and that nod.
I hear something on that matter and it’s not good.
As for Jaime- like I said in the review, Jaime and Cersei are on shaky ground with each other. He has stuff to do- if you’ve seen the trailers, you can guess where he’s headed.
I can’t really get into Roose, Theon and Ramsay discussion without talking about other characters, so…pass. They are in the first batch of episodes, though not heavily.
Great review! At this point, I’m most interested to see how the Meereen and Winterfell storylines play out.
I’m not sure what to expect. I’m hyped for Jon/Stannis/Mel scenes. I think KL will be interesting. I’m looking forward to see if Dinklage can make Tyrion’s journey more enjoyable than it was in the books. Arya is Arya, and I love the character, so I will probably enjoy her story. Dorne is an unknown. So long as they get Doran correct, and give him a great master plan, I will be okay. The elephant in the room revolves around Winterfell. I’m not encouraged by what I’ve heard.
I don’t particularly care about Sansa or what the show does with her. The Vale/Harry the Heir story was never going to happen in the show, and it shouldn’t have. However, Littlefinger’s justification for sending Sansa to WF sounds ridiculous, and cements Showfinger as the doofus he is. Now I fear Theon’s ADWD arc is going to be shortchanged because of Sansa’s presence shifting the focus to her POV.
All-in-all, I’m cautious going into the season. I don’t expect it to be the best, but I’m hopeful it’s better than season 2.
Sue: thanks for this thoughtful review. I am looking forward to Lena’s performance. Glad to hear that Sidding delivers in his role. Thanks for the advice about adjusting expectations on Ellaria; I am very intrigued by the changes to this character.
If the “rushed” scene in question is the NW election, I understand why. Despite being a pivotal step in Jon’s story arc, it is not entirely unexpected. Sam’s behind-the-scenes machinations worked well in the books but may not have translated well to the show.
I hope you are right. That would make me happy.
Can you please tell what you thought of Ramin’s score in the 4 episodes? Anything that stood out, is it as good as past seasons?
Others might disagree w/ me, but I do think that SansaxRamsay is something that will happen in the books. I theorized this a while back… and I don’t think its totally unlikely.
Thanks for the review. I’ve been less excited for this season, probably because I no longer have cable or Internet other than my phone and I’ll have to go to a coffee shop with WiFi to watch the show on my friend’s HBO Go account.
Does anyone here watch the show on HBO Go? I know there’s been problems with it on the night it airs. Is it worth it to go on Sunday night and watch it somewhere or should I wait until Monday morning? I have no idea how late the coffee shops near me stay open so if it takes two hours for the episode to play, it could be an issue!
I’ll tell you this upfront: the season premiere as a whole isn’t as strong as last season’s first outing.
Not surprising. “Two Swords” is arguably the best season premiere, surpassing “Winter is Coming,” because of how assured it is, the great introduction of Oberyn Martell, the chilling cold open, and one of the show’s best ever combat scenes with Arya and the Hound. I’m trying not to let myself get spoiled by what’s above, given I already know too much already, but this still all bodes well.
I have to say its pretty nasty that some people aren’t critiquing D&D’s choice to take Tommen/Margaery in such a downright repulsive, disgusting, self-indulgent fratboy path and are just making hack jokes about how lucky DCC is, while these same people would be frothing at the mouth if the genders were reversed or if D&D had taken Sansa/Tyrion in the same way. hmmmmmmMMMM
It makes absolutely no sense to think that would happen in the books. The Northern plot with the Boltons is approaching its resolution already, with the players already known. Sansa has her own plot in the Vale. She’s not going North to marry a Bolton.
Greatjon of Slumber: Not surprising. “Two Swords” is arguably the best season premiere, surpassing “Winter is Coming,” because of how assured it is, the great introduction of Oberyn Martell, the chilling cold open, and one of the show’s best ever combat scenes with Arya and the Hound. I’m trying not to let myself get spoiled by what’s above, given I already know too much already, but this still all bodes well.
Why are people so critical of earlier season premieres? I found the opening episode of Season 2 fantastic, deliciously moody and atmospheric.
I’ve been away for the weekend – has there been any detailed descriptions of the first 4 episodes posted anywhere, e.g. reddit or elsewhere that someone can point me in the direction of? I know I shouldn’t but I can’t help myself!
Thanks for the great review Sue! Extra excited for Siddig as Doran now! And for the streamlined plot for Tyrion. I have to say I am maybe most curious about Sansa/Petyr and yes, maybe time will tell when TWOW comes out how close this storyline ends up to what GRRM writes in the end…
if it’s the NW election, somehow I am not surprised this was condensed and moved early, given what we saw in trailers, but I am disappointed to hear it lacked impact compared to the book.
Well, geez, since the vast majority of the people haven’t seen the episodes, yet, they can’t critique the so-called “downright repulsive, disgusting, self-indulgent fratboy path.”
Sue – Thanks for the review. I’m definitely nervous to see how some things play out, but overall I’m really excited!
Its a crackpot theory. But IMO some Stark needs to restore Winterfell, and I think it will be Sansa… but not likely through Ramsay in the books.
Excellent review of the first four episodes! Thank you, Sue!
Everything described here sounds wonderful. I can’t wait to see it all for myself! I’m particularly excited to hear about the strength of Cersei’s arc and Lena Headey’s performance, as well as the increased stakes in the Meereen storyline (that cliffhanger may break more than a few hearts among those who haven’t been paying attention, and many that have). The Northern storyline is probably the biggest wildcard at this point, but everything that I’ve heard about it sounds intriguing. If I had to choose, I would say that’s my most anticipated storyline. It’s a risk, to be sure, but given the unique set of challenges this series is facing, it’s a risk that they probably had to take. Not everyone will agree, but I think that it has the potential to pay off handsomely.
Honestly, there isn’t a single storyline that I’m not looking forward to this year. With the logical and efficient measures that Benioff and Weiss have enacted to speed up and spice up some of the novels’ more meandering plotlines, all of the characters appear to have a clear objective and a renewed sense of purpose that’s uncluttered by distractions – some for the first time in a while. That’s refreshing to me. The season may be a slow build in the beginning, but I have every confidence that it builds towards it climax, we’ll all be desperately searching for a spare moment to catch our collective breath.
I’m also very glad to hear that the long shadow cast by certain moments in history is starting to work its way into the show to a greater extent. I expect that the weight and frequency of such callbacks will only increase as the series moves towards its conclusion.
making that hack comment about DCC is lucky is disgusting enough
I too was disappointed by that Wall scene from the second episode you mention…It felt monumental in the books, but on the series I was left feeling it was more like an afterthought. In addition to feeling rushed it lacked weight and initial impact.
That’s the reason I was shock to learn that scene was going to be so early in the season and I the very reason I was expecting it to be split into two episodes: one to build up a little and the other with Sam’s machinations and the outcome. Of course you’re probably referring to a totally different thing altogether.
let me redirect you to somewhere else where this type of “fly off the hangle” reaction would be more appropriate: here
i’m just saying it how i see it, especially because i expect most people to react the same way. maybe a few critics will rip D&D for it, but most won’t of course. they’ll just see margaery as a “strong smart womyn” for it
Actually tumblr would just have a giggle about his rage over alleged reverse sexism, and then point out that literally everyone is hot for Natalie Dormer.
Jon and Dany’s leadership challenges, I think S5 will also mirror Cersei and Littlefinger becoming too overconfident and overreaching with their schemes, with everything falling apart spectacularly. Littlefinger will have his own “Walk of Shame”, thanks to either Sansa, Roose, Ramsey or Stannis turning on him. It would prove he’s just a fallible human being, after all, who isn’t as clever as he thinks.
Sue, thank you for your review (and being so nice with our impatience).
All because some folks have said DCC is lucky?
I have to say its pretty nasty that some people aren’t critiquing D&D’s choice to take Tommen/Margaery in such a downright repulsive, disgusting, self-indulgent fratboy path and are just making hack jokes about how lucky DCC is, while these same people would be frothing at the mouth if the genders were reversed or if D&D had taken Sansa/Tyrion in the same way. hmmmmmmMMMM
The most obvious contrast with Sansa/Tyrion is that Tommen is not a Tyrell family hostage who doesn’t want to sleep with Margaery and will not be beaten if he refuses to comply.
pointing out that making light of an older woman sexually manipulating a minor is kind of gross is now just laughed off as the hack concept of “reverse sexism” really??? really?
D&D are so nasty for going this route, i hope natalie dormer blasts them after GOT is over just like she did with the tudors’ writers and producers
I really liked reading this review. It was as specific as it could be without spoiling the stories. I hate reviews that take forever just to give a general impression of the whole show, and you communicated clearly what you felt about each of the storylines, what the strengths and weaknesses are, and what to expect, thank you
Were there any named lords in Winterfell with any speaking roles? Or does Stannis or Jon mention any in particular? Any indication of
Second, what about this much rumoured beautiful, “show-original” Stannis scene in ep. 4 (Beloved by Elio/Linda:
https://mobile.twitter.com/westerosorg/status/584040767997480960 & https://mobile.twitter.com/westerosorg/status/584042178827001856 and polygon: http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/6/8352877/game-of-thrones-season-5-review) – Did you like it, too?
its true that tommen has more agency and power than sansa in that regard, but he’s still a child and definitely still younger than sansa on the show even though he has obviously been aged up on the show.
i’m not really angry at sue not really lol, just irritated to already see these kind of reactions because its just the start of many many more with this disgusting deviation that D&D have made
That sucks. Have you tried finding some fellow GoT fans in your area that might let you watch the show with them?
I had a similar problem last year and I can totally relate
Wait, so it is “kind of gross,” or “downright repulsive and gross?”
If you’re going to go off the deep-end about it, you may want to try to be consistent.
Oh gosh, Stannis and Shireen have an amazing scene in ep 4.
A practically perfect review! I feel very excited for Season 5 now. Being a show watcher only, as long as the show makes sense, I am good. I am happy indeed about the Shireen and Gilly talk, about Cersei hopefully flying too close to the sun and about to get burnt and the Season 4 ending being a cliffhanger. Does the last mean that there is a sliver of hope for two of the characters? I am most excited about Dorne and the Essos stories this season, Bravos and Meereen (and hope for some fire and blood there.)
the deviation and portrayal of it on the show is downright repulsive and gross
making light of it and making hack jokes about it is kind of gross
basically i’m mostly angry @ D&D but also annoyed @ people not calling them out on it, especially people who should know better imo
Sounds like the “Sansa and Tyrells dinner party” scene in season 3. That was one of the best scenes GRRM has ever written, while on the show it came across as little more than a couple witty Olenna lines.
In the books. In the show she’s at least in her early 20s.
not on the show she isn’t. with natalie dormer being less than 10 years younger than lena headey who’s supposed to be 40 on the show.
tv margaery looks like she’s in her mid 20’s at the youngest
Has it even been confirmed that anything sexual happens with Margaery and Tommen?
I’ll be scouring the interest for complete spoilers if I can find any, that’s for sure. Knowing what will happen doesn’t ruin it in any way for me, possibly makes it better.
Cannot believe that here in Canada no one will take my money so I can watch the show on my smartphone….I just am not always around the tv and like to watch them wherever whenever.
I like all the season premieres. If anything, Season 3 may have been the weakest of the premieres, but I do like them all. There are few episodes I dislike. But “Two Swords” set the bar very high.
Thanks for the confirmation of this! I’ve already heard a certain “rumour” about this scene, which sounds simply incredible-extreme-unbelievable beautiful and lovely!
I’m aware of the age of the actors. My point is that the characters are not 17 and 33.
I’m not going to call out D&D if they depict a legal adult giving consent and happily having sex with another adult. (Unless it’s just a boring or lame scene for other reasons.) Because that is not even close to Sansa the hostage being forced to marry Tyrion, and then if she’d been forced to have sex with him. Comparing the two is ridiculous.
Hmmmm, probably. It’s the climax of the first four episodes. Ep 3 has some high points too, but yeah I guess four is the best.
Plus “everyone is hot for Natalie Dormer” and “an adult woman sexually manipulating a male minor is wrong” are not mutually exclusive. If Tommen is attracted to her, then if anything at his young age that makes him even less likely to be capable of mature, self-aware decisions in her presence. Even if he thinks he likes it at the time, it’s still icky, and there’s a great chance he’d regret it and feel violated when he has more time and capability for self-reflection later down the road.
Who knows, maybe once the episode airs and people have seen the portrayal of it, you know, since some people actually wait to see an episode before they start flipping out, you’ll get your wish. Then again, maybe not.
Sue – outstanding stuff. I’m still new to all of this site and the buzz around it. I have become a fan of your work in very short time.
I’d say that’s a relatively fair comparison. Although in this case they take multiple scenes in two chapters and condense it into a single slightly over 4-minute scene. Honestly, I think the scene accomplishes everything it needs to, but it was much more powerful and fun in the book.
Thanks, Sue! I will be revisiting this review daily until Sunday. Just a ball of excitement here! Can’t. Wait!
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