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i just hate the fact that cuddy was married :0
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Okay, first of all--WHAT THE FUCK. Maybe when I actually watch the ep, it'll seem a little more realistic, but from all I hear right now this whole "Cuddy was married" sounds so incredibly retarded-drama. And not up to the standards of House storylines that we have come to expect.
By the way, was it leaked on purpose? I have a hard time believing the TPTB would actually authorize a leak...it doesn't seem like them. Then again, a lot of people have seen it.
UGH. GODAMMIT. I was waiting for some happy, smiling, making out Huddy in this ep. I was waiting for it to end on a happy note. But of course, they decide to make the hiatus unbearable in a BAD way. I feel the need to punch a wall.
Done. But I knocked my laptop charger out of the wall socket. And it hit my foot.
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK. ALGKHASEITHEWAILGJALSKFJASKLDJFLAKSJGLKASJ
*long sigh*
*goes off to stare at old Huli pics and comfort self with the knowledge that House is a fictional TV show*
*still depressed*
Oh and @mysusp the Huddy scenes weren't as bad as I thought, but I'm still scared for the whole ep...I feel like something darker lies in the final scene, which apparently is Hilson.
So, now that I'm spoiled anyway, what were the circumstances around Cuddy's supposed marriage? When, why, for how long, who?
Now I'm really depressed because one of the comments on LJ said that this was the writers preparing us for a Huddy break-up...which I really don't know if I'll be able to handle. But I have to agree with the person who posted it: from the Huddy scenes that I watched, this doesn't seem like just another obstacle in the relationship. Maybe when I see the whole episode I'll be able to have a better grasp on the situation, but from what I've already seen this is going to be all-or-nothing. Either both House and Cuddy grit their teeth and plow through these troubles, or they break up. End of story.
I was also surprised that they made the Cuddy's-marriage thing such a small part of the ep. I agree with another comment on LJ: I'm really disappointed with the writer(s) of this episode with how they handled that. They can't just mention something like that and then drop it, like they just came up with it randomly for the purpose of Cuddy having lied before. It should be a lot bigger. When I read the comments before watching the scenes, I certainly expected it to be. I confess, I am very disappointed, and not just because I was hoping for something more happy-Huddy.
The whole tone of the scenes that I saw were dark and really made me uncomfortable. Cuddy was really harsh, and the scene near the end where she finally smiles just makes it worse because apparently we later realize that House's apology was a lie. In my dream world, they would just fucking TALK TO EACH OTHER HONESTLY instead of lying more and avoiding it, which is what House has chosen to do, and then they could FORGIVE each other and have make-up sex. Now I'm just really pissed. Is this what's going to be sustaining me through the hiatus? Because, to be honest, I'm really getting sick of the whole lying thing. I'm starting to really not enjoy it. You can call me a "hopeless romantic", but DAMMIT I WANT MY HUDDY. And I mean HUDDY. Not this angry, hurt, twisted version of Huddy that we're seeing now. Okay, I get that relationships start of fresh and happy and awesome, and then more often than not turn sour as the people in it learn more about each other. And I get that Huddy was bound to have tons of problems. But please, PLEASE TPTB, PLEASE find a way to fix this. If we're just going to get another few eps of Cuddy being nice to House under the delusion that he is actually sorry for what he has done, all the while knowing that it's all a lie, I don't think I'll be able to take it. I mean, come ON. We're only human. HAVE SOME SYMPATHY.
I'm beginning to force myself to hope that this is a fake ending. And that tomorrow's ep will be different. I really doubt that, but still...it's nice to think that there's such a possibility.
*goes back to being extremely depressed*
A little angst is fine but they sometimes go too far with it.
Or, maybe they're kissing up to the anti-huddy's.
From the comments I've read it sounds like none of the couples are happy at the end of the episode.
I am sure there is a scene or two missing. But still I think that their issues get resolved and they move on to an even deeper commitment. I can't see them not having some kind of intimacy after the torrid time they have had. Even if it is just a kiss.
It is a natural conclusion to their conversation.
People have lives and history. So what if she was married for 6 days. Blame it on the exuberance of youth!! HOUSE does NOT care. HE has her now and THAT is all that matters to him.
I love that she lied about her age making herself older to get the job. Like being 43 instead of 45 is even relevant...
This will not break them up. If you want a reason for her marriage, I will give you one......
After their one night in Med School, they were both in love with each other. He got expelled and disappeared. She never knew where he went or why. So hurt and desperatley unhappy she meets and marries the first man that comes along. Her mom goes NUTS and has the marriage anulled......nuff said!!! Feel better ya'll
Let me just say that this whole episode had some of the most realistic and honest lines about relationships that I have ever heard on a show. Some may find that depressing, but the truth is that the give and take in relationships is a bit of a downer at times. It isn't all "and they lived happily ever after."
House is House...he is who he is which sometimes makes me want to throw something at him. At the same time, he speaks a lot of truth that many are uncomfortable hearing said out loud, even if it is accurate.
I think it was a great episode. I don't think it is as bad as some are thinking. This was a direct blessing for me to get to see it early because my daughter has a concert tomorrow night and so I wouldn't get to see it.
@evropia Ahhh you don't understand how much better that made me feel. I guess I was being stupidly and hopelessly romantic before...of course Huddy is going to have problems, and I can't expect all of them to be as quickly resolved as the other ones were. I can't expect it to be pretty all the time. So, I'm going to try and take House's lying as a positive thing, just as you've done. I see your way of thinking now, and I agree with it: at first, I didn't really see House's lie at the end as a sacrifice, but now I do. The title of the ep is fitting: House isn't really avoiding the problem so much as making a "small sacrifice" in order to keep Cuddy happy. I suppose this is what relationships are about.
Ahhh well. Still hoping for a bonus scene at the end for tomorrow though...*fingers crossed*
@evropia I totally agree with your thoughts on the episode. Fortunately I saw the episode on accident because a friend passed it on without my knowing it had been released already. It was a very honest look at relationships at a level most people don’t want to look at.
BTW...I think that they are both super human because I swear that the looks they give each other could burn holes through the average human. WOW!
The lack of kisses is really killing me but luckily the sexual tention is back.The way he checked her out in her office....so House.I hope for something really big in the next ep and hopefully we gonna have one during December.
Loving one an other isn't a choice for them anymore...they're walking hand in hand into happiness and disaster because they do share true and unconditional love even though it's not always shown.For her he was the worst choice ever..and yet she chose him..for him she was the only and one choice since forever....so there is an 'us' between them and they can't do nothing about it.
I dunno, I just wanna see a jealous House(?) LoL!
OK <<< I've JUST WATCHED the episode
It is great >> I don't understand why people r disappointed ??!!
It is really great >> especially house lying to cuddy it is old House's style
And if u look at it closely u would see that cuddy told house(in the first episode ) that she "doesn't want him to change and she loves him as he is " and house lied to her as he used to do but she got mad and wants him to stop lying to her !!! so she is changing her mind !!!
And remember … that house has made it clear that he is lying to her as his boss not as his girlfriend
So he is doing his usual stuff ,so why she wants him to apologize??
And for that I'm with house he should not be apologizing to her even if he is madly in love with her!!!!!!!!!!
Regarding the second lie "the false apology " I think it is very realistic ,people lie to their partner to make them feel good , I'm not saying it is good thing it is certainly one of the things that damage any relationship but that what people in love do and house is trying to make her happy and keeping his rational in place because he knows that he can't change and he will practice medicine the way he used to do!!
What I did not like is the Sam- Wilson thing !! it is really a juvenile
It is not even a real fight!!!!
House and Cuddy's implied intimacy is awesome. He trully feels bad for Wilson, but his need, physical and emotional for Cuddy is stronger.
I went to bed before I saw your message, I only had Huddy scenes though because the link for whole episode didn't work anymore for me.
Lisa Edelstein's acting slipped a little into an impression of her mother with her "I need an apology, not flattery scene." LOL
Chase's womanizing is getting old :P He needs to get into therapy for his guilt and get Cameron back.
It was sad when Cuddy realized House brought up the subject of marriage just to trap her. She said "I will be first time" not I would be first time---to me that and her "this whole thing was a trap?" showed that she was talking casually as if she would be married one day and of course she would forsee House as the one she would be married to.
Was House still in wedding trickery mode when he told Cuddy weddings were kind of fun? I'm leaning towards him telling the truth. He really looked like he was having a good time with her, and he looks down to watch her dance immediately after that. Nice to see them having fun together.
House in the office sounded like a husband whining about being forced to go to a social event. He is even reading and sitting in an armchair with his feet propped up.
Nice to see that House still checks Cuddy out in the office even though they've been together for a while.
Wow--the scene with Wilson and Sam---loved when she looked at him and then left without a word. Good job channeling some House and Cuddy angst guys. :)
The pratical versus artistic ending scene the reviewer spoke of that she had a gripe with. Could that simply mean, why is Cuddy coming over to House's apartment instead of him going over there?
Okay, so he LIED AGAIN!!
Question is to whom?
And we all do it in our relationships, not to cause harm, hurt and unhappiness but rather to facilitate a happy, seamless existence.
BUT……before I go any further I have to say that Hugh Laurie almost stopped my heart several times this episode.
1) In his “Dressy Casual” – LORD have mercy!!
2) In that TUX wearing narrow, square tipped dress shoes and his Sean Connery accent. I think he has very sexy feet.
3) At the wedding with his crisp white shirt open to the 3rd button, showing his gorgeous chest and neck.
4) Standing at the bar with the boys drinking his Martini – ***F A I N T***
OH and his hair, so VERY, VERY sexy these days!
Now my thoughts:
Option 1
These two (House & Cuddy) are well and truly past the point of no return in this relationship. They are now and have always been completely, irrevocably in love with each other. She “wants” him just as much if not more than he “wants” her.
His moan about having to relieve himself of sexual frustration makes her smile, and pleased at the same time. Her approaching him in the lobby says she wants to engage him in conversation.
His question about not attending the wedding stopped her cold, because she wants him with her. She misses his company and his physical presence as much as he misses her’s. Knowing what the other staff in the hospital think about him, it really would make no difference to them on way or another if he was there or not. It is important to HER!!
Telling her he’d go if just for the chance of getting her drunk and scoring, was him being honest with her and testing her reaction. He has always been honest and open with her about wanting her, nothing new there. But how honest does she want him to be?
She, it seems really does not want him to change. I realize that now. She dislikes his “Dressy Casual,” because he is not THAT man! She wants her MAVERICK back, the Disheveled Devil she loves. Her shock at his unlawful forging of a signature, is absorbed by the surprise of his owning up to it.
I loved the look on his face as she leant over her desk in that RED dress. You can almost see what is going through his mind. A rather vivid visual of peeling it of her body, right there in her office, I would imagine. Also their natural, comfortable intimacy in her office, the argument aside, she is still HIS LADY. Her stopping next to his chair for him to zip up her dress, and his not missing a beat shows that their “togetherness”, their connection is still as strong as ever. They are completely in sync, proven again by the fact that without a single word or look she passed him her bag, which he took, calmly carrying it into the lobby. House may not have been in a relationship for a very long time, but he definitely understands the subtleties that will make him more irresistible to her. He may not realize it, but he is slipping back into the “boyfriend mould”, very comfortably.
The compliments and the teasing at the wedding, him staying close and the look at her body both front and back as they dance, is his way of letting her know he is still very much interested.
It appears he does not care about the fact that she was married. She is his now and that is all he is interested in. Not a youthful mistake that happened 20 years earlier. It is something that I would imagine will come up again, either while they are alone in bed or relaxing together, or with her mom. Something happened to drive her to make that mistake. Was it the fact that she was in love with him and he disappeared so suddenly? I am sure the writers will clear it up.
Now his issues with trust, they go back a long way, back to his childhood and his father. Those issues have made him the man he is. The man Cuddy obviously loves to distraction. Those issues cemented his ideas of trust and lies. He has been hurt, with the result he trusts NOBODY! It is not about NOT trusting HER! He clearly does trust her, but there is still something holding him back. He wants desperately for this relationship to work, and realizes that for that to happen he is going to have to take a chance on her. That chance as he says is his “leap of faith,” he needs to open himself to her completely. Believe in something he can neither see, touch nor taste, realize that by opening himself up to trust her he is also opening himself up to hurt.
He is really sorry about the lie. NO! Not the lie he told to save his patient, the lie about THAT lie! They both know that he is going to lie to her again, but he won’t lie about lying anymore. She has to know that!
The apology she wants is not about the fake lab test, it is about him lying to her about respecting her enough not to lie. If he had admitted it then and there in her office, she would have been angry, but she would have forgiven him because he was right about the medicine and because he was honest. She did milk the hurt and disappointed angle a bit though!
Cuddy knows House, probably better than anyone; she can tell he is being honest about his trust issues. She understands how difficult change is for him. She can see the sincerity in his soft eyes as he looks at her, and she can hear it in his voice. But she can also see the fear. She knows what she means to him, that he loves her and will take a chance with her. The natural conclusion to all this angst is physical intimacy, “make up sex.” Their love making is implied in his conversation with Wilson. The explanation to Wilson is a lie, told to protect himself, and “save face.” It is also obvious that although he feels really bad for Wilson, his physical and emotional need for Cuddy is stronger.
OR
Option 2
All this is a load of old cods wallop, and he lied to Cuddy, to get what he wants. HER back in his arms and in his bed! And the explanation he gave Wilson IS the truth, which means he is going to go on lying to Cuddy for as long as he can get away with it. Nothing has changed and he plans to go on believing that everybody lies, so it’s okay. Wilson being the friend he is understands that House did what he did because his physical and emotional need for Cuddy IS so strong. House has achieved his goal and Cuddy, well she just got PLAYED!!!
I feel bad for Wilson, the hurt in his voice as it broke telling Sam she was quitting again was sad. He really has had rotten luck. But I am glad she is gone. Wilson needs someone that adores him. He needs someone to just LOVE him.
I am hoping we see a bit of Huddy intimacy. The show ended on my epi timer at 43:15. The total running time was 43:59. I hope there is a secret ending here.
If not, I did enjoy the episode. I am glad House and Cuddy have “resolved” their problem.
I even enjoyed the POTW and the Ducklings and their dramas…
"Shedding tears as I type."
They say that there is always a little hidden truth in the lies.
I only seen the Huddy scenes but House spent some time trying to find Cuddy in a lie only to find that after he did find this they were stiil in the same place and he didn't want to be in that place anymore.
"Hence", trust is not an arguement that is to be won or lost. Though Cuddy lied and House lied "trust" is about being able to confess your imperfections to each other. It is not about being perfect. Trust is about believeing you can be imperfect and trust that another person will still love you and still think you are the most incredible person they have ever met.
Cuddy has always known House was lying to her during cases and it was always about finding out what the lie was and to keep him out of a lawsuit. I think it may have even scared her that she did't know he was lying and that maybe she had let her guard down and wasn't watching as closely as she should.
The lie started out about the patient and on the clock then he continued in the lie off the clock and on a personal level.
The one thing that is a constant is that these are like magnets with each other and they always are drawn together by the desire in their hearts for each other.
Every obstacle reaffirms that they were made for each other.
Question: is this something that will happen again? The episode being available before actual airing time?
I have watched the Huddy scenes and i was a bit taken aback by the ending, but i agree, it was very housian and very true - like somebody said above, the most true approach of a relationship i have ever seen.
@MySusp, LL, Evropia, Belle, Tammy: thank you for your analyses, they helped a lot with understansing this. I am still dizzy with surprise, i couldn't really focus on it myself.
I agree with a few essential points:
- this was a MAJOR step forward for House, which proves, once again, the impossibility of them not loving each other at some point - they are doomed to love each other and that is how it's always going to be
- i LOVED the return of the tension, sexual and beyond
- i loved House being so much his old self, but only so clearly in love - it's wonderful to experience this!
- i found Lisa to be "stunning", just like all her outfits
- finally, i am scared; i never expected this to be all roses and rainbows, but i am scared because, at this point, i would say the chances for their future are 50%-50%: they can stay together or House can decide that, no matter how it will break him beyond mending, he just cannot handle it. That would break ME beyond mending, so... i am scared. But it's wait and see, with my heart on the line...
What do you guys think he meant, when he told Wilson he lied? That he isn't taking a leap of faith? That he WILL lie to her again? Or maybe he will try to do all he said, but he's not convinced and he will only do it against his own feeling and will. I am not sure how to interpret that.
However, I'm beginning to think that this is a good thing. It certainly does not provide a satisfying resolution to the problems that Huddy has been having in these past few episodes, but it shows that House really is willing to make sacrifices. Yes, he did lie to Cuddy about sacrificing his distrust of people. But, he made a sacrifice when he decided to drop the whole getting-even-with-Cuddy thing to try and make amends. IMO, this shows that he's really serious about their relationship working. House may not be doing the right thing, but he is doing what his twisted mind is telling him to do in order to save his relationship with Cuddy.
Oh, and another thing: not certain about Huddy's future, but by 7x15 they're still together (according to recent Lisa E interview). Unfortunately, she doesn't say whether they're in a good place or a bad one. IMO, whether Huddy will ultimately make it or not will be decided in the Season 7 finale.
As you are, I'm still shocked by this revealed episode...How can it be possible? But I will watch the full episode when it airs, to be sure everything is real and complete. Still missing the plus intimacy, that would give us enough strength to be able to endure the hiatus!!!:(
I read Lisa's interview and it made me very happy - episode 15, that means almost the whole season and we still have so much to look forward to.
As i said, at this point, i am certain that the only question is whether House decides that he can go on making the sacrifices and efforts required by a relationship or not. Actually, it's about whether the result of his efforts are making him happy or not... In my opinion, happy or not, efforts or not, he cannot live without her, so... in my book, the answer is clear, they stay together through thick and thin. But it's all very complicated.
I thought about it some more and my take on his final conversation with Wilson is that he didn't really MEAN what he told her. I think, however, that he will try. He wasn't manipulating her in that speech. He was honestly saying what he wished were true and what he will try hard to accomplish - let her in, open up to her completely, trust her and allow her to trust him fully - reach that level of perfect openness and honesty that she wishes.
Lying to Cuddy again is a very, VERY tricky thing. Maybe he will be faced with this dilemma again, but the chances that she catches on it are huge and he would take a very big risk. I think that, after that speech, him lying to her again is a major taboo - she has reasons to really end it if she catches him lying.
So i do think he meant it in terms of really trying to do what he said. But i think he lied, in terms of not really, really believing in what he said. It's his deep nature not to believe in leaps of faith and blind trust, so... yeah, he cannot really mean that and believe it. But i am sure he'll try. And that makes me very happy, because it's a huge effort on his part.
I kinda commented on that above. I think he didn't believe what he said with all his heart and mind, BUT he did mean it in terms of really wanting to try - to try and work hard at making himself more open and trustful, and to try to give her what she needs.
It's really beautiful, now that i come to think of it.
I am shocked about the way the episode was available too. But it was like the Gods planned it for me!!!!! My son has a bad cold and i was really worried that he won't sleep tonight and i won't be able to watch it. So... It worked out fine for me, but i wish this didn't become a habit. Seeing bits of the episodes like this is really not the ideal watching experience.
I am disappointed at ending this stretch of episodes on a worrisome note:( I really hoped i could dream beautiful dreams during this hiatus, but, however beautiful and true it was, it leaves me tense and worried about the future:(
Nevertheless, the writing of this relationship is more true and far smarter than anything i have ever witnessed.
Honestly, this was my least favorite episode this season. But I'm going to watch it again before I judge it too harshly. I had a terrible day at work and was so pissed about work still that I was only half paying attention the episode. That is weird for me. Usually I'm able to let everything go for that hour.
I'm glad to read that a lot of people liked it. I was happy to hear that Cuddy was coming over. That's something at least. Maybe House won't have to choke another chicken at least. ;)
@GregYaitanes 2 things, Loved this ep and.. CUDDY WAS MARRIED?!
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@Ashmarnet yep. and it won't be the last.
JESUS SWEET CHRIST!!!!!! KILL ME NOW!!!!!!
HE SAID WHAT??????????????????
Did he certainly mean the marriage thing???? Maybe he's screwing with us and he meant that it won't be the last episode?... I know that's idiotic, but i am too dead to think straight!!!!!!!!
Is this for real?????? My God. Would he really let out the spoiler of Huddy marriage like this? Maybe he's messing with us...
OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!
@Scuddy: here it is:)
I hope you watched it again and enjoyed it more this time. I only watched the Huddy scenes posted here yesterday and i was really confused - the whole thing surprised me and i was not in my usual "House"-watching mood.
But watching the entire episode was a whole different story. My favorite this season, by far - except for "Now What", of course:)
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