harry potter vs twilight Article: Bella's flaws and Twilight's plots

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posted by slushie

People keep on saying that Bella has no flaws. What about being clumsy? They also say that she's codependent, and she's anti-feminist. Aren't those flaws?

I just don't get why people say that Bella has no flaws, yet at the same time, they point out her flaws.

Also, they say that the Twilight buku have no plot. Please tell me why they have no plot.

Twilight: Bella meets Edward. They fall in cinta and Bella meets the parents. James smells Bella and wants to kill her. Edward eventually kills Bella and reverses the vampire transformation.

New Moon: Edward leaves Bella. Jacob is apparently a werewolf. Bella cliff dives and Jacob saves her. Rosalie informs Edward of Alice's vision: Bella committing suicide. Edward almost gets himself killed oleh the Volturi. Bella saves Edward.

Eclipse: Victoria is out for revenge and creates a whole war between the Cullens and serigala vs. the newborn army. Victoria, Riley and the Newborn army are all killed.

Breaking Dawn-Book 1: Edward and Bella's wedding eventually leads to their honeymoon on Isle Esme. Bella starts akting strangely. What is going on? Bella is pregnant!

Breaking Dawn-Book 2: Jacob finds out that Bella is pregnant. Sam's pack wants to destroy the baby. Jacob, Seth, and Leah distance themselves from the pack, creating their own pack. All of a sudden, Bella's water broke. Bella gives birth to the baby, but will she survive? Edward changes her into a vampire. Jacob falls in cinta with Renesmee Carlie Cullen.

Breaking Dawn-Book 3: The Volturi finds out about the "immortal child!" The Volturi comes over, and the Cullens have gathered an army. The Volturi back off like cowards, and all is well that ends well.

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Harmony97 If we knew whether you were Twilight or HP it might help us explain it...

cassie-1-2-3 Why would it matter? The question would be the same.

Lumos_Maxima When people say that Twilight doesn't have a plot I kind of agree with them. Sure, it does have an actual plot but it's terrible. No offence to any twilight fans. Bella meets Edward and BOOM instant love. A random vampire tries to kill her and instead of just finding another random off the street to drink he spends ages trying to lure her to him. Edward kills the bad guy and happily ever after. To me, the plot was boring and uncreative. I've read heaps of books about vampires and the supernatural and they're a million times better with a good plot and relate able characters but most of the people that I know haven't even heard of them. I honestly don't know why twilight is so big and worthy of becoming a movie.

Lumos_Maxima Breaking Dawn-Book 3: The Volturi finds out about the "immortal child!" The Volturi comes over, and the Cullens have gathered an army. The Volturi back off like cowards, and all is well that ends well. --- Sorry, I just wanted to point out something. Don't hate me but... Vampires were scared of the Volturi. The vampires in the Volturi had powers that could rip the Cullens in half and not only did they have that but they had hundreds of vampires to fight along side them. The Cullens' army wasn't very big and they didn't have the strongest powers (both vampire powers and strength) so I don't see why the Volturi would back off other than SMeyer couldn't think of snything better. I was waiting for a big fight scene but the Volturi just backed off like the cowards that they were.

cassie-1-2-3 Again, not liking something doesn't make in nonexistent. If you payed attention to the fact that James was a tracker, you'd realize that he COULDN'T just go find another random person. He had to have her. That's his undeniable instinct. It's worth of becoming a movie because of the large fan base. None of the Volturi had "ripping" powers... And I don't think there were hundreds of them. I know there were a lot more than usual, but not hundreds. The Cullen army was pretty close to just as large as the Voltiri (I think you're forgetting that the wolves were there too). None of the Volturi members knew all the powers of all the vampires in the Cullen army. They didn't know how strong they were. The didn't know every single vampire there. The only vampires who was aware of everyone's powers was Eleazar, Edward (Through Eleazar's thoughts), and Aro (after Bella allowed his to read Edward's thoughts), which happened after they hesitated. It's something they weren't expecting, so they hesitated. They're not evil people, so there's nothing wrong with them wanting to know what was going on before they did their duty.

ClaireVoyant i'm not an expert in literature, but i'm quite an avid reader. i don't know about flaw, but i do sense some mary sue-ness from bella. and is it just me or there is something wrong about the way she react to certain circumtances? when you feel like there is someone watching you sleep, you should call your father for safety check not worrying if you drool/look bad. (i've read only the first book and watch the first movie btw) and family SHOULD've matter more for her. how could you just choose anyone (even if that;s someone you love) over your family that easy? she got a very great father IMO why can't she at least feel remorse. if she have to face indecision first even if eventually she choose Ed at least i could accept that. sometimes her reaction is/are shallow. she want to become vampire as soon as possible because she don't want to look older than edward? why does it matter how you look?! if you are vampire,you'll live a secluded life, there will be no one to judge you or tho show your boy friend off at. and isn't the fact that he LOVES you is the only thing that matter the most? if anyone could explain this/counterargument this, i'm alright with it.

cassie-1-2-3 Since you haven't really read the books, you're quite unaware of the remorse she felt over leaving her family. She did have her doubt and indescision. There was also a part in Eclipse where she explained to Edward why she wanted to change. He was shocked to hear that he was only partial to her entire reasoning. She didn't know Edward was watching her sleep. She thought she was dreaming. I don't know why she would call for Charlie to check her dreams for her.

ClaireVoyant i borrow the first book from my friend, who quite like that book. she didn't buy the next book unfortunately. and the price is a little too much for my pocket. here it's seems only the first book(and movie):/ that's really popular. i didn't hear much about new moon/eclipse/BD. huh..? i mean check out her window just in case it's not dream or something. that is my reaction when i first read the book. i didn't hate the book. it's just i don't understand some part of it. (and yeah, still trying to get my hand on it. i don't like reading online) ah actually there are a lot of thing i found either awkward or funny especially after i read the english vertion... to sum it up my reaction more or less a lot like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGVUFrzoUto

ronald_weasley in my opinion a flawed character is one that has flaws in their personality. physical flaws are generally not the type of flaws one would give to a character. im not saying the characters should look and move perfectly but we judge and relate to a character based on personailty and if the character has no personality flaws then they are a mary sue. as for the anti-feminist flaws, then i would say that they are not exactly flaws since bella was never openly labelled an anti-feminist. this is some thing the readers inferrred. and the "flaw" of her being codependant is not exactly a proper flaw. in literiture i beleive that there ought to be charater flaws that help to develop the characters. bella's so-called flaws do none of that. they just put her in dangerous situations and an opening for edward or jacob to save her. as for the plot, i beleive that when people say the twilight books have no plot, they mean that the books have a plot that's very simple and predictable. i agree the books do have a plot. however, that plot is soo over-used and cliche that it makes it seem non-existant.

cassie-1-2-3 How does Bella being codependant not have anything to do with her personality?

pokerface22 plot Also called storyline. the plan, scheme, or main story of a literary of a drama Definition #2 defines a book plot. Twilight is a story. You all can argue about what a plot should contain, but a plot is the main storyline. Slushie told us about the plots in each book. Flaw 1. a feature that mars the perfection of something; defect; fault: beauty without flaw; the flaws in our plan. Bella is ugly (contradicting to her own name), she is anti-feminist, co-dependent, clumsy, etc.

luv_warriorcatz I wouldn't say that she was ugly...

cassie-1-2-3 Do you mean you think Kristen is ugly?

luv_warriorcatz Who me? I just said I don't.

cassie-1-2-3 No, not you.

ronald_weasley the thing is that she's not entirely co-dependant. when she's living with Charlie she states that living with charlie is like living alone (i don't remember the exact words). this shows that she is in fact not co-dependant. in my opinion she's only dependant on Edward and that is simply beccause of her "obssesion" with him. her being dependant on edward is not a flaw becasue it is something that helps her get her way. what i mean by this is that in new moon she needed edward so he came back. her "flaw" has no real consequence for her. any problems she faces because of her dependance are solved and she ends up living happily ever after

cassie-1-2-3 Just like any other character. As long as they're reasonably happy, and don't end up dead, their flaws apparently don't matter. Harry ended up with a nice job and a family. I'm sure he was happy in the end too. Does that mean none of her flaws were real flaws? The same with Ginny, Ron, and Hermione. They all ended up happy. That seems to be all people are saying.

ronald_weasley it's true they ended up happy but their happiness was dulled by the death of loved ones. the consequences they faced left a permenant mark on them and most of them were irreversible they got over their griefs yes but that's just realistic bella's grief for edward was pretty much her only grief and she got a perfect "happy ever after" ending

cassie-1-2-3 There's also the grief of eventually losing her family. That's something Bella thought about all throughout the series.

ronald_weasley that's true however, that greif was caused by a descision. not the result of flaw when harry loses sirius it was his mistake. a mistake he made because of his need "to play the hero" so to speak. and that was one of harry's biggest flaws and it put him in many unpleasent situations

pokerface22 No, Kristen Stewart is beautiful, but in the BOOKS Bella says she is plain. I think she also questions Edward's love for her because she didn't look pretty like Tanya.

bri-marie Bella's biggest flaw is her dependency on Edward, which put her (and others) in unpleasant situations. Many of which were based on a decision... That was pretty much the entirety of New Moon.

luv_warriorcatz wish Ms. Meyer would put more emphasis on that

cassie-1-2-3 Wasn't there a whole lot of emphasis on Bella's dependency? It was emphasized enough to where a lot of people noticed it.

luv_warriorcatz I wish Meyer put more feeling in it, though. Like, make a moment where Bella truly felt shame for not doing anything useful. I'm not talking about her "clumsyness." I know she dedicated a story (the La Push story) entirely for Bella's dependency thing but I just wasn't feeling it.

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132 Things The Harry Potter series has that Twilight doesn't:

posted by AprilCandy42

WTF?! Sparkly vampires?!

1. A decent plot.
2. A plot.
3. Character death.
4. Quidditch.
5. Voldemort.
6. Bellatrix Lestrange.
7. Severus Snape (The best of all)
8. Hogwarts.
9. Magic.
10. A wand.
11. An all-ages audience.
12. A writer who doesn't make her characters bitches.
13. vampire that don't sparkle.
14. Harry Potter.
15. Hermione Granger.
16. Ron Weasley.
17. The *very awesome* Weasleys.
18. Giants.
19. Broomsticks.
20. Triwizard Tournaments.
21. A lightning-shaped scar on the forehead of the main protagonist.
22. Draco Malfoy.
23. Real werewolves.
24. The Marauders.
25. The Order of the Phoenix.
26. Dumbledore's Army.
27. Death Eaters....

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Twilighters menulis in CAPITOL LETTERS

posted by mimifaith

Is it just me, atau does it seem like most of the Twilight fan feel that they have to write in capitol letters to get their points across? Personally i find it really annoying.

It's also a fact that if anda write in capitol letters IT TAKES LONGER FOR THE BRAIN TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION and therefore takes longer to read. Originally all the road signs (In England anyway) were written in capitol letters, until they were redone and someone found that smaller case letters were quicker to read. So they changed it.

So selanjutnya time anda feel like shouting because your book sucks, don't write in capitols, but put...
*shouting*... at the begining of your speech.

Thank you. That is all.

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Plot Holes in Harry Potter

posted by Renesmee_XD

Disclaimer:
The artikel is not mine I only used it cause everyone has always wrote artikel aganist Twilight how about Harry Potter now
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I finished membaca Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows a couple of days back. In my view, the book is much lebih tightly written than the last two books. And that itself is a relief. Harry Potter, Hermione Granger and Ron Weasley are much better etched out in Deathly Hallows, and there are quite a bit of surprises, disappointments, revelations.

But when someone asked me today what I thought about it, I replied,...

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What I think of Robert Pattison

posted by Kersian

Okay so I've been hearing a whole load coming from a whole bunch of people, the majority being females, that Robert Pattison is hot. They say this like it is fact and when someone comes along and says he isn't it's like they don't get it.

They asked, "How is he not hot?" This is a lebih formal format of putting it, but I got a whole bunch of responses which were very retarded. Well it has to do with personal preference.

So someone's opinion might clash with another person's opinion. Like how Twilight pasangan think in Twilight all the vampire really are hot. But someone else might come along...

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Bella is Messed Up

posted by LilysLittleTwin

Essay Three in my ‘What’s Wrong with Twilight’ atau WWT series, is entitled “Bella is Messed Up”. We will be exploring what is wrong with Bella oleh examining her choices and actions. I may later test her on a psychoanalysis test.

One, she is pathetically whiny. anda could open any page of a book and find one where she’s whining. TwiFans try to cover this up oleh pre-bookmark-ing a book at a page with a keterangan of the setting (One of the so very few there are). She always begs Edward to turn her into a vampire, even when he blatantly refuses her pleadings every time.

Two, she is too...

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What's Wrong about 'HarryPotter vs Twilight issue'

posted by nessienjake

I don't mean any hate towards non of the series.
I just found it seriously immature how both fan of the series blame eachother.
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I went through many sites that are Anti-Twilight
and then I started searching for Anti-HP.
Ofcourse what I have saw was mostly twilight hate.
I find it very,very useless too have this 'debate' about Twilight vs Harry Potter.

As i also read most artikel from this spot I have seen that MANY people here truly HATE twilight.
There's nothing wrong with it.
The only problem is that it is invading all the sites.

Most people from...

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The message Harry Potter leaves to teenager...(spoilers)

posted by Sophia21

detik part of my review on both of the buku this fanspot is about.

Despite most arguments on how different both series are, they do have many shocking resemblances, specially in the bad message part. I hope that after membaca both of this, selanjutnya time a fanpick pertanyaan of "Which is best" pops up, anda take a menit to consider your answer.

1. If anda have friends atau people that care about you, there's no need for anda to have skills. Just let them sacrifice themselves.
Explanation: Harry Potter prevails against all perils not because he is a skillful wizard atau because he is smart. He prevails because...

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For People who think the Cullens could beat the Harry Potter Trio in a Battle...

posted by XDRoseLuvsHP

I know a lot of people think the Cullen family could beat Harry, Ron and Hermione in a battle. I have read both series, and I realize that the Cullens have super speed and super strength. However, I do not think that the Cullens would stand a chance against the Trio.

Let's look back at the battle history of each...

The Cullens:
- They defeated James in the first book. However, there was only one of him and there were five of them, I believe? So that really isn't saying much.

- They defeated a band of immature vampire with no fighting skills in Eclipse. They went in knowing they would win because...

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Attention HP HATERS

posted by nati30

Sorcerer's Stone

Ok, a lot of ppl here think Harry Potter is lame and boring and for dorks and is like dungeons and naga and its for nerds who like to pretend to be wizards after school. Well, those people have not read the books. Of course, I respect everyone's opinion, even if they think twilight is better. But, dont choose before anda read both complete books. I mean Twilight is about two tenagers in love, but there's a catch, one of them is a hot and sexy vampire who sometimes has the urge to drink his lover's blood. That sounds cool right? Now, Harry Potter is about a young boy's battle against the evil...

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Twi-Hards Take a Beating

posted by HopeEve

ok so I found this stupid person listing all the reasons why twilight is better than twilight. so I replied to every single one. and this is her picture:

1. Robert Pattinson, can anda say HOT? And he's totally sexy when he sparkles!

So? Hotness has absolutely no correlation to akting ability. He was also in Harry Potter first.

2. Taylor Lautner, I mean, have anda SEEN those muscles?

NOT HOT. Strange nose, closed up eyes and no akting ability. That is just my personal opinion. As I said, hotness has no correlation to akting ability.

3. Kristen Stewart. An extremely talented and beautiful actress,...

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Rita Skeeter Interviews Bella angsa, angsa, swan

posted by KateKicksAss

NOTE: This interview is written as if Bella is still human. Think after Eclipse but before Breaking Dawn. And I don't mean to offend Twilight fan with any of the pertanyaan that Rita asks Bella in this article, based on Rita's personality in the books, I'm assuming she'd ask awkward questions.

Me Myself and I
By Rita Skeeter

Today's interview is with populer fantasi book character, Bella Swan. Captivating readers in Twilight, read on as I interview Bella, and see if there's lebih to her than just an obsession with Edward!

*The door opens, and in walks Bella......with Edward.*

Bella Swan: Can...

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Don't walk away (Twilight-New Moon)

posted by HaleyDewit

Okay,first and for all,I am not a Twilight fan.But this song popped in my head and once I have a melody and words I just have to write it down.I didn't plan this.Well,despite the fact that I don't like Twilight,I still think it's a good song. (I hope I don't sound arrogant now)Please read it and let me know what anda think about it :) Even if anda think it's crap.

I got it all under control
I can keep myself together
I’m not gonna break down
I know this is for the better
I know I must let anda leave
But I’m not gonna stop these tears
I know I must let anda walk away
But my jantung will break anyway

‘Cause...

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